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James Finn Garner's avatar

"Move fast and break things" was Zuckerberg's motto. Obvious result: a lot of broken shit and tech bros fleeing to Turks & Caicos with their lucre.

We need to force the Nazis and neo-confederates off this site so they need to build their own platform. Save the FBI some monitoring time.

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Wabi Sabi's avatar

My values lean heavily in the direction of free speech as a matter of cultural norms and not just legal principle, but I'm with you on this one Mike - that doesn't extend to Nazis on Substack. And here "Nazis" doesn't mean "everyone right of centre", it clearly means "people proudly displaying swastikas who stoke fears about coordinated plots to overthrow white people".

When people talk about airing all views so that the best ones can win, that ignores the fact that Substack isn't a campus, it's a newsletter site where people naturally gather into silos. Lefty Substack publications aren't "debating" Nazi ones, and even if they were I doubt they'd do much good. (Hearts and minds can be changed, yes, sometimes, but in the case of deep-seated bigotry the changing entails lots and lots of in-depth in-person interactions, not a snappy comeback on an Internet forum. People's worldviews derive more from their personalities and needs than dispassionate logic, and always will.)

So here you have a situation where Nazi propaganda, far from being aired and debated in an open forum, is being piped directly into the inboxes of people who are already open to it. It's not even Hyde Park, it's an exclusive book club. Which results in a genuine online community, which results in better organising, which results in more in-person gatherings, which...well, let's just kick 'em out.

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